Thursday, April 25, 2013

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Thanks for your insightful information regard to the "Shroud of Turin." I appreciate that.

 

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In a message dated 4/25/2013 7:37:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chuckpc@genesismission.4t.com writes:
 

http://tinyurl.com/shroud-GSM

The Shroud of Turin is a rectangular linen cloth 14.3ft long by 3.7 ft wide and woven in a three-to-one herringbone twill. What makes it unique is the faint, brownish front and back image of a naked man. It is believed by many to be the the burial shroud of Jesus Christ. If so it would be a artifact of the most important miraculous event described in the Bible, the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, thus if it is authentic it would be the most important artifact of human history.

The current dispute over it age begins with the carbon 14 dating done a small section on the shroud in 1988 that dated it to 1260 - 1390 AD. However there have been questions raised about the accuracy of this date on several grounds. The first was the fact the all four samples were taken from the same portion of the cloth. This is a problem because it violated standard procedure for such dating which normally requires taking sample from different locations to avoid one area of contamination affecting the results. To make maters worst the section used was near a repair making contamination a real possibility. Including the fact that the shroud has been handled and even kissed over the centuries only males maters worst for the carbon 14 dating.

Using infra-red light, spectroscopy and multiparametric mechanical tests on fibers taken from the shroud during the 1988 study Professor Giulio Fanti of the University of Padua and other scientists discovered that the fibers were compatible with those from the time of the death, burial and resurrection Jesus Christ in about 30 AD. Combining the results from different tests tests, produces a date of 220 B.C.- 280 AD. The conclusion is the Shroud of Turin is not a medieval forgery but is from a time range consistent with it be authentic

The question that needs to be answered in determining if the Shroud of Turin is authentic is to determine whether or not it is consistent with Biblical account. To do so requires checking all four gospels to see what they say.

Matthew 27:59 (KJB) And when Joseph had taken the body,

he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

Mark 15:46 (KJB) And he bought fine linen, and took him

down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a

sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone

unto the door of the sepulchre.

Luke 23:53 (KJB) And he took it down, and wrapped it in

linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone,

wherein never man before was laid.

Luke 24:12 (KJB) Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre;

and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves,

and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.

John 19:40 (KJB) Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in

linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

John 20:5-7 (KJB)

5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying;
yet went he not in.

6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre,

and seeth the linen clothes lie,

7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen
clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Matthew refers to Jesus' body be rapped in a linen cloth while Luke and John refer to linen clothes, with Mark simply referring to linen. John also refers to "the napkin, that was about his head." John's account is often used again the Shroud of Turin being authentic because it refers to cloths and with the napkin requires at least three cloth's to be present. However when you include Matthew which indicates the Jesus Christ's body was wrapped in a linen cloth then an answer presents itself. The best way to reconcile these accounts is that the was one main large cloth in which the body was wrapped and one or more smaller long ones use to bind the rapping together. This possibility is supported by the fact that along one side if the shroud is a strip a little shorter than the rest of the cloth (see the to of the above image) that was sewn on that seems to have originally been part of the cloth that was cut off and later sewn back on. If the main part of the Shroud of Turin were the main rappings and this strip were used to bind the bundle then what we have in the shroud would fit the description of the linen clothes thus making the Shroud of Turin consistent with the Gospel account. You may be asking about "the napkin, that was about his head."

A linen cloth known as the Sudarium of Oviedo is a bloodstained cloth about 33" X 21". It is currently located at the Cathedral of San Salvador in Oviedo, Spain. The Sudarium of Oviedo believed to have been wrapped around Jesus Christ's head after his death to cover his blood converted face in accordance with Jewish tradition. Thus it would qualify as "the napkin, that was about his head." It most likely would have been left in  the tomb a place by itself  in a because of Jewish tradition about the sanctity of blood. Not only do the blood stains on the Sudarium of Oviedo fit the face and blood stains on the Shroud of Turin but like blood on the shroud the blood on the Sudarium of Oviedo has been confirmed to be type AB human blood.

So the Shroud of Turin along wit the sewn on strip and the Sudarium of Oviedo are a perfect match to the Biblical description of burial cloths of Jesus Christ. Add to this the fact that that Shroud of Turin contains pollen that shows it was once in Jerusalem, and the consistency of the height of the shroud image with the finished burial place in the with the new dating of the Shroud of Turin to around the 1st century the best conclusion is that they are in fact the burial cloths of Jesus Christ. As such they stand as empirical evidence for the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sin and his resurrection not only validates his sacrifice but gives the Christian hope of resurrection which is a comforting hope while burying a Christian loved one. Accepting Jesus Christ's payment for your sin is an act of faith an while our faith in Jesus Christ does not rely on physical evidence the existence of such evidence, like evince for God creating the universe helps strengthen that faith.

References

http://bibledoc.8m.com/godbible/salvatin.htm

http://gardentomb.com/

http://tinyurl.com/shroud-AIG

http://tinyurl.com/shroud-NYT - actually a link to the telegraph.co.uk

http://tinyurl.com/shroud-NYT2

http://www.shroud.com/guscin.htm

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    Monday, April 22, 2013

    New Study Shows the Shroud of Turin Is Not a Medieval Forgery

    http://tinyurl.com/shroud-GSM

    The Shroud of Turin is a rectangular linen cloth 14.3ft long by 3.7 ft wide and woven in a three-to-one herringbone twill. What makes it unique is the faint, brownish front and back image of a naked man. It is believed by many to be the the burial shroud of Jesus Christ. If so it would be a artifact of the most important miraculous event described in the Bible, the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, thus if it is authentic it would be the most important artifact of human history.

    The current dispute over it age begins with the carbon 14 dating done a small section on the shroud in 1988 that dated it to 1260 - 1390 AD. However there have been questions raised about the accuracy of this date on several grounds. The first was the fact the all four samples were taken from the same portion of the cloth. This is a problem because it violated standard procedure for such dating which normally requires taking sample from different locations to avoid one area of contamination affecting the results. To make maters worst the section used was near a repair making contamination a real possibility. Including the fact that the shroud has been handled and even kissed over the centuries only males maters worst for the carbon 14 dating.

    Using infra-red light, spectroscopy and multiparametric mechanical tests on fibers taken from the shroud during the 1988 study Professor Giulio Fanti of the University of Padua and other scientists discovered that the fibers were compatible with those from the time of the death, burial and resurrection Jesus Christ in about 30 AD. Combining the results from different tests tests, produces a date of 220 B.C.- 280 AD. The conclusion is the Shroud of Turin is not a medieval forgery but is from a time range consistent with it be authentic

    The question that needs to be answered in determining if the Shroud of Turin is authentic is to determine whether or not it is consistent with Biblical account. To do so requires checking all four gospels to see what they say.

    Matthew 27:59 (KJB) And when Joseph had taken the body,

    he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

     

    Mark 15:46 (KJB) And he bought fine linen, and took him

    down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a

    sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone

    unto the door of the sepulchre.

     

    Luke 23:53 (KJB) And he took it down, and wrapped it in

    linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone,

    wherein never man before was laid.

     

    Luke 24:12 (KJB) Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre;

    and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves,

    and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.

     

    John 19:40 (KJB) Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in

    linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

     

    John 20:5-7 (KJB)

    5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying;
    yet went he not in.

    6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre,

    and seeth the linen clothes lie,

    7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen
    clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

     

    Matthew refers to Jesus' body be rapped in a linen cloth while Luke and John refer to linen clothes, with Mark simply referring to linen. John also refers to "the napkin, that was about his head." John's account is often used again the Shroud of Turin being authentic because it refers to cloths and with the napkin requires at least three cloth's to be present. However when you include Matthew which indicates the Jesus Christ's body was wrapped in a linen cloth then an answer presents itself. The best way to reconcile these accounts is that the was one main large cloth in which the body was wrapped and one or more smaller long ones use to bind the rapping together. This possibility is supported by the fact that along one side if the shroud is a strip a little shorter than the rest of the cloth (see the to of the above image) that was sewn on that seems to have originally been part of the cloth that was cut off and later sewn back on. If the main part of the Shroud of Turin were the main rappings and this strip were used to bind the bundle then what we have in the shroud would fit the description of the linen clothes thus making the Shroud of Turin consistent with the Gospel account. You may be asking about "the napkin, that was about his head."

     

    A linen cloth known as the Sudarium of Oviedo is a bloodstained cloth about 33" X 21". It is currently located at the Cathedral of San Salvador in Oviedo, Spain. The Sudarium of Oviedo believed to have been wrapped around Jesus Christ's head after his death to cover his blood converted face in accordance with Jewish tradition. Thus it would qualify as "the napkin, that was about his head." It most likely would have been left in  the tomb a place by itself  in a because of Jewish tradition about the sanctity of blood. Not only do the blood stains on the Sudarium of Oviedo fit the face and blood stains on the Shroud of Turin but like blood on the shroud the blood on the Sudarium of Oviedo has been confirmed to be type AB human blood.

     

    So the Shroud of Turin along wit the sewn on strip and the Sudarium of Oviedo are a perfect match to the Biblical description of burial cloths of Jesus Christ. Add to this the fact that that Shroud of Turin contains pollen that shows it was once in Jerusalem, and the consistency of the height of the shroud image with the finished burial place in the with the new dating of the Shroud of Turin to around the 1st century the best conclusion is that they are in fact the burial cloths of Jesus Christ. As such they stand as empirical evidence for the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

     

    Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sin and his resurrection not only validates his sacrifice but gives the Christian hope of resurrection which is a comforting hope while burying a Christian loved one. Accepting Jesus Christ's payment for your sin is an act of faith an while our faith in Jesus Christ does not rely on physical evidence the existence of such evidence, like evince for God creating the universe helps strengthen that faith.

     

    References

     

    http://bibledoc.8m.com/godbible/salvatin.htm

    http://gardentomb.com/

    http://tinyurl.com/shroud-AIG

    http://tinyurl.com/shroud-NYT - actually a link to the telegraph.co.uk

    http://tinyurl.com/shroud-NYT2

    http://www.shroud.com/guscin.htm

     

     

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    Saturday, April 20, 2013

    New Claims of Earth Like Exoplanets Kepler-62e, Kepler-62f and Kepler-69c

    http://gscim.com/Science_News/4-13/Exoplanets_Kepler-62e_Kepler-62f_Kepler-69c.html

     

     

    The Kepler space telescope was found three so called  super-earths that closes to being Earth like of any planets so far discovered called Kepler-62e, Kepler-62f and Kepler-69c. While these three worlds are the most earth like extrasolar planets found to date they are still far from being truly like the Earth. But evolutionary astronomers being ever hopeful are expressing increased confidence of eventually finding another planet with life on it.

     

    Kepler-62e is about 1.6 times the size of the Earth and Kepler-62f is about 1.4 times the size of the Earth making it the smallest Habitable zone planets ever found. While they are with in their star's habitable zone it is also 20% dimmer than the sun and located 1,200 light years away.

     

    Based on size they are probably rocky planets but that does not make them Earth like. Kepler-62e has a year of just 122 Earth days and Kepler-62f has a year of 267 Earth days, for comparison Venus has a year of 225 days. Now for these planets to have like Earth temperature they would have to have just the right amount of greenhouse effect from their atmospheres. Unless Kepler-62f has a high greenhouse effect any water on its surface would freeze and unless Kepler-62e has heavy clouds and little greenhouse effect it would be too hot for liquid water. So rather than being super-earths it is possible that Kepler-62e could be a super-venues and Kepler-62f could be a super-mars.

     

    Kepler-69c is about 1.7 times and it is the smallest planet found with in the habitable zone of a sun-like star and it is about 2,700 light-years away however it's year is just  242 Earths days which is much closer to Venus' 225 Earth days than Earth's 365. In fact the above illustration shows that like Venus it is just on the inner edge of its star's habitable zone suggesting that it is most likely a super-venus rather than a supper-earth.

     

     

     

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    Monday, April 8, 2013

    Sahara Became a Desert Quickly

    http://gscim.com/Science_News/4-13/sahara_became_desert_quickly.html

    It has been known for some time that the Sahara Desert once had a green wet climate. However a recent study has shown that it became a desert  much quicker than previously thought. This study shows that the Sahara Desert went from a wet green climate to a desert in just 1-2 hundred years. Now the study dates this event at 6,000 years ago but accorder to Flood geology models based on the Biblical account it would have occurred 2,000 to 2,500 years later but the point is the speed at which it happened.

    What is critical here is the fact that this study show that the the Sahara Desert went from a wet green climate to a desert in just a century or two about the time frame required Flood geology models. Now If you may be saying that the 1-2 hundred year time frame is based on the same models that date the event at 6,000 years. While that is true it shows that the Sahara Desert could have become a desert within a time frame consistent with the Biblical account. If you ajust the desertification time  to 3,500 - 4,000 years of the Biblical Flood geology it produces a desertification time of 66-133 years at 4,000 and 58-117 years at 3500 years. This means that the time frame for the desertification of the Sahara Desert is consistent with Biblical Flood geology because the the estimated rates are within the bounds of the this study.

    This thus prides additional support for Biblical account of creation and the Biblical time frame of 6-7 thousand years buy showing that the needed desertification time of the Sahara Desert is within a naturally feasible time frame.

     

     

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